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Over the last year and a\u00a0half, the United States under Donald Trump has seen a\u00a0deluge of brutal, targeted repression. The administration now has a\u00a0long record of using Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to abduct and deport those fighting oppression, from union organizers in Washington to pro-Palestinian activists in New\u00a0York.<\/p>\n

Read more On America\u2019s 250th Anniversary, Democracy Is On the Ropes<\/a><\/p>\n

And yet, as the authors of two recently released books discussed in a\u00a0panel at Pilsen Community Books in Chicago, much of the groundwork for this reign of terror was laid by liberal institutions, from universities to major media outlets, during Joe Biden\u2019s\u00a0tenure.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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In late May, Adam Johnson, author of How to Sell a\u00a0Genocide: The Media\u2019s Complicity in the Destruction of Gaza<\/em> spoke with Steven Thrasher, author of The Overseer Class: A\u00a0Manifesto<\/em>, about their respective books\u2019 efforts to catalogue the ways that many of the same elite voices now opposed to Trump resorted to similarly Orwellian and even violent tactics in their effort to quell the movement for Palestinian liberation after Oct. 7<\/span>. Their talk dissects the way these powerful liberals, as Thrasher puts it, exist to \u200b\u201c<\/span>police the boundaries of what we\u2019re allowed to think about and what we\u2019re allowed to\u00a0do.\u201d<\/p>\n

This conversation has been significantly edited for length and\u00a0clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Adam Johnson:<\/strong> First off, I\u00a0want to say Steven\u2019s book is a\u00a0brilliant piece of journalism combining rigorous media analysis, memoir, cultural-political critique and, perhaps, most of all, a\u00a0call to action. Along the way, we meet prominent academics who write books on James Baldwin, anti-apartheid citizens in the 1980<\/span>s anti-colonial struggle and anti-racism who lined up to punish and sick armed police on anti-genocide activists in late 2023<\/span> and 2024<\/span>. It\u2019s reassuring to those of us who felt like we were being lied to and gaslit during that time period. But to orient the audience, can you give an overview of the\u00a0thesis?\u00a0<\/p>\n

Steven Thrasher:<\/strong> It\u2019s been hard for me to actually pinpoint when exactly I\u00a0came up with this idea. Part of it began when I\u00a0was reporting in Ferguson in 2014<\/span> for The Guardian<\/em> when Michael Brown was killed. It actually was his birthday yesterday. He would have turned 30<\/span>\u00a0yesterday.<\/p>\n

Over the last decade or so, I\u00a0feel pretty good about how the American people have broadly grown more and more critical of policing, of militarism, thinking about it structurally, seeing the ways that opinion polls will move to a\u00a0majority of people thinking about defunding the police and a\u00a0majority of people wanting to abolish ICE. As these structural critiques came up, I\u00a0started really noticing Black cops over and over and over again. I\u00a0realized that I\u00a0was seeing Black cops so often on television. I\u00a0was seeing the same actors playing Black cops in multiple\u00a0projects.<\/p>\n

So that was part of how I\u00a0started thinking about overseers, but it was also largely from my experiences in academia. It really started at New York University when, in 2019<\/span>, I\u00a0was asked to give a\u00a0graduation speech. I\u00a0added a\u00a0couple of sentences about Palestine. And it brought the hammer down on my head, and the person, Phil Harper, who was the one who most personally went after me, was not only Black and gay, but he was a\u00a0member of my dissertation committee. Then I\u00a0was coming to Northwestern, and I\u00a0sort of thought, oh, there are these Black and, sometimes, Black and gay administrators or people around, and they\u2019re really going to help me shepherd my career.<\/em> Then I\u00a0realized, oh no, they\u2019re sent in to stop my career, or to keep people in line, to really police the boundaries of what we\u2019re allowed to think about and what we\u2019re allowed to\u00a0do.<\/em>
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Johnson: <\/strong>I\u00a0didn\u2019t realize the extent to which there would be a\u00a0major thematic overlap in our books, which I\u00a0think it\u2019s fair to say are fundamentally about the functions of liberalism. This is maybe not the most original point, but I\u00a0think we identify unique manifestations of it when we look at the ways liberal institutions serve as both a\u00a0release valve for capitalism and also its primary enforcer. When the rubber hits the road and the people in power are under any kind of existential criticism or threat, the hammer comes down, and the hammer is being wielded by a\u00a0liberal nine times out of 10<\/span>. And as I\u2019m reading your book, I\u00a0was routinely shocked by not so much the fact that you\u2019re being picked on by psychos in Congress and the Zionist crybully groups, but the degree to which this is people who are Baldwin scholars and people who were anti-apartheid activists in the 80<\/span>s. You know, the liberal is opposed to the injustice that happened 30<\/span>\u00a0years ago, when it no longer matters. It\u2019s literally leading left-wing anti-colonial scholars sicking police on students, and this is why Gaza really did solidify who was a\u00a0fucking hack. So let\u2019s talk about the fucking hacks. You have two different episodes, in 2019<\/span> and then, of course, 2024<\/span>, during the encampment. Talk if you could about the ways in which you were disciplined for doing the thing that James Baldwin told you to do, and Toni Morrison told you to do, and anti-apartheid activists in the 80<\/span>s told you to\u00a0do.<\/p>\n

Thrasher: <\/strong>In 2019<\/span>, I\u00a0was finishing my PhD at New York University. I\u00a0was asked to give this speech, and I\u00a0had two months to do so, and all this shit went down between when I\u00a0was asked and when it happened. The biggest scandal was that every year, NYU would have something called the President\u2019s Service Award, the students would choose clubs or groups that they wanted to honor, and then the president would present it to them. The students chose JVP and SJP, and it was a\u00a0huge prediction of how things would play out over the next few years. The president didn\u2019t show up. Everyone came to the ceremony, and the president wasn\u2019t there. Then the next day, he blasted them in The<\/em> Wall Street Journal<\/em>, so everybody thought I\u00a0was going to talk about\u00a0this.\u00a0<\/p>\n

We were required to submit our remarks in advance, and I\u00a0turned them in without saying anything about this: I\u00a0added three sentences. I\u00a0called Israel an apartheid state, and I\u00a0knew that that, of course, would be very controversial. I\u2019d had hasbara experiences as a\u00a0journalist over the years, but I\u00a0also said we all have to stand against anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, transphobia, queerphobia, because we\u2019re going to be professors and we have to stand up for the least powerful amongst us. That did not feel controversial to\u00a0me.<\/p>\n

I could not imagine ever treating a\u00a0student like this. I\u00a0couldn\u2019t imagine treating a\u00a0Zionist student like this. There was one case where we knew a\u00a0student had complained about something related to a\u00a0discussion about Gaza, and in the six months in between, they never knew that I\u00a0knew about their complaint, and yet we developed this very deep relationship, and they ended up being in the encampment. I\u00a0ended up helping them get work published. We had the natural experience of having\u00a0tension.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Johnson:<\/strong> I\u00a0want to talk about the encampments, because the narrative that was given in the media was completely 180<\/span> degrees from what the encampments really were, which again were not sectarian, were not these proto-pogroms, it was interfaith, it was obviously intercultural and people showing solidarity with Gaza. Then you turn on CNN or Dana Bash, and you would think it was like a\u00a0Nazi rally. It was a\u00a0total Orwellian inversion of reality. So I\u00a0want to talk about the encampments and what you\u00a0experienced.<\/p>\n

Thrasher:<\/strong> The Overseer Class<\/em> was under contract; it was just signed right before October 7<\/span>. Even before that, I\u00a0knew that I\u00a0wanted to write about what had happened to me at NYU in 2019<\/span>. And there were encampments happening within weeks of October 7<\/span>, but the one that lit the fire for the whole world was the Columbia one that happened when Minouche Shafik had gone to Congress. The day right after the first arrests, before the second big wave of arrests, I\u00a0got onto the campus and spent the day there. That would have made me, I\u00a0guess, an outside agitator. So I\u00a0got into the journalism hall, Pulitzer Hall, and it was one of our alumni from Medill who\u2019d actually somehow, through sheer force of her personality, set up a\u00a0display and was putting up a\u00a0picture of every journalist who\u2019d been\u00a0killed.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Students knew this without me having to say it. They all knew that it was obscene that journalism schools were not saying anything about the murder of these journalists. They knew it was obscene. Medill gives a \u200b\u201c<\/span>Courage\u201d award every year, and they had just given one to Ukrainian journalists. They explicitly said in the press release that we\u2019re not only giving it to them for being journalists, but because they sacrificed, protected women and children in their community. So they weren\u2019t even on the objectivity schtick, and then they had nothing to say about Palestine. It\u2019s just anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab\u00a0racism.\u00a0<\/p>\n

When I\u00a0went to the encampment on the lawn, it was one of the most beautiful spaces that I\u2019d been in. When I\u00a0arrived, there were Jewish students surrounding Muslim students while they were praying, so they wouldn\u2019t be photographed or harassed. It was a\u00a0Friday, and there was a\u00a0seder, and then the Muslim students were surrounding the Jewish students, so that they could pray afterwards. There were also Christian students, thinking about the role of Christian Zionism. So it was very clear that this was not\u00a0anti-Semitism.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Read more Socialists Are Tearing Through the Democratic Party Establishment<\/a><\/p>\n

Johnson:<\/strong> As I\u00a0document in the book, of the 25<\/span> top U.S. News and World Report universities, 12<\/span> of them issued neutrality statements in late 2023<\/span> and early 2024<\/span>. All these liberal institutions had supported Ukraine. They all supported, ostensibly, anti-racism after George Floyd. And then, mysteriously, [starting] in late 2023<\/span>, they all have these neutrality policies. And what it shows is that liberals can\u2019t just say, \u200b\u201c<\/span>I\u2019m a\u00a0Zionist, I\u00a0don\u2019t really believe Palestinians are human, and I\u00a0support U.S. Israeli imperialism,\u201d because that\u2019s tacky, that\u2019s gauche, and it kind of betrays and belies the ostensibly universalist principles that they have. So they have to reverse engineer an ostensibly universalist position to be completely discriminatory towards\u00a0Palestinians.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Thrasher: <\/strong>The person to do that is the overseer. The person to oversee that is the overseer. I\u00a0was at Columbia on a\u00a0Friday, I\u00a0came back, and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of that week, [encampments] started popping up all over the country. There were massive explosions of violence at USC, and I\u00a0noticed most of the cops were Black at UT Austin. Then at NYU, my alma mater, it wasn\u2019t really even an encampment; they were just on the one and only open public space that NYU owns, which now looks like a\u00a0prison yard with bars and everything up around it. But professors surrounded their students, and I\u00a0thought, all right, if I\u00a0end up in that position, I\u2019m gonna have to do the same\u00a0thing.<\/em><\/p>\n

Then we got word to our Educators for Justice in Palestine group at Northwestern that the students were going to do something, and they wanted professors to be with them. We said, all right, we\u2019ll make sure there\u2019s always four people who are with them. And I\u00a0signed up for the first shift. I\u00a0just woke up with nervousness. When I\u00a0went, it was on Deering Meadow, which has a\u00a0memorial dedicated to the students killed at Jackson State University and Kent State University, to student free\u00a0expression.\u00a0<\/p>\n

The cops came in. We surrounded the students. It was actually the Black chief of police who beat me\u00a0up.\u00a0<\/p>\n

At the 22<\/span> schools that I\u00a0had written about in different ways, there was one Asian woman, and every other one was a\u00a0Black man or Black woman, and I\u00a0think two Latinos. It\u2019s 86<\/span>%. So I\u00a0was like, let\u2019s look at these 19<\/span> Black chiefs of police and at these primarily white institutions and compare the percentage of Black students\u2009\u2014\u2009it\u2019s 5<\/span>%, and Black faculty is 6<\/span>%. So that really helped me see how there are these overseers. We have diversified the disciplinarian apparatus, and the people put into these jobs are meant to be disciplinarians, and some of them are literal cops. I\u00a0think something that is very frightening at universities is that many of these cops are also vice presidents, or they\u2019re higher up in the college\u00a0administration.<\/p>\n

Johnson: <\/strong>One thing I\u00a0really love about the book is that it is a\u00a0deeply structural book, but at the same time, it\u2019s also a\u00a0very humble book. You\u2019re not smug about it. You repeatedly talk about how people are products of structures. You talk about how you yourself have indulged in many of the things you criticize. You confess [in the book] that you wanted to apply to be a\u00a0cop.<\/p>\n

Thrasher: <\/strong>I\u00a0did apply to be a\u00a0cop.<\/p>\n

Johnson:<\/strong> You did apply to be a\u00a0cop. In another universe, you\u2019re walking the beat somewhere in Queens. So, again, this is why you\u2019re not self-righteous about it. To some extent, we are products of systems, but that\u2019s not an excuse to crack in skulls when people protest genocide. Of course, you do go after what you view as the more pernicious goals of things like DEI and affinity groups, not obviously in the kind of right-wing shorthand, where it\u2019s any Black person with an opinion you don\u2019t like, but a\u00a0kind of HR union-busting apparatus to some extent, or a\u00a0way of\u00a0co-opting.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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You talk about the ways in which people are products of systems. But at the end, you talk about ways in which people within those systems can push back. And then you have this concept of a \u200b\u201c<\/span>Toni,\u201d or someone who uses their position of power not to be an overseer but to actually lift people up and fight back. Talk about what a\u00a0Toni is and where the overseer comes\u00a0in.<\/p>\n

Thrasher: <\/strong>Tokenism is a\u00a0term from a\u00a0sociologist named Rosabeth Moss Kanter. She was talking about people who are in minoritized positions. They\u2019re put in figurehead positions, but they don\u2019t have power. And that, I\u00a0think, is different from overseers, who do have power and use that power to discipline and hurt people. They also withhold the power that they could use to say \u200b\u2018<\/span>no\u2019\u00a0periodically.\u00a0<\/p>\n

I\u2019m forgetting her name now, but the president of Boston University was enacting this content-neutral plan to take all the rainbow flags out of the university windows. And then, of course, students and faculty were not happy about this and put them back up in the windows. And then there were hundreds of them, and the university was threatening to go into every dorm room and every professor\u2019s office and the LGBT center and take down all the pride flags. Some version of that happened all around the United States, because there was a\u00a0massive purging.\u00a0<\/p>\n

I worked at something called the Institute of Sexual and Gender Minority Health and Wellbeing, and even though my colleagues there were pretty supportive of me, the Trump administration rampantly went after that institute. They\u2019ve gone so harsh on trans issues, and trans issues have been a\u00a0real flashpoint, as well as Palestine. And so there are ways that universities have purged a\u00a0lot of these folks already. Anyway, this president at BU eventually did something I\u2019ve never seen a\u00a0college administrator do before. She said the policy was wrong. I\u2019m ashamed that I\u00a0enacted it, and we\u2019re not going to go through with it. I\u00a0can\u2019t think of another time I\u2019ve seen a\u00a0college administrator do\u00a0that.<\/p>\n

Johnson:<\/strong> I\u00a0didn\u2019t realize you could do that. Obviously, you\u2019re in those positions because you\u2019re filtered out for banality and\u00a0cowardice.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Thrasher: <\/strong>I\u00a0write in the book about the painter Amy Sherald, who painted Michelle Obama. She\u2019s probably one of the most, if not the most, famous Black women portrait painters in the world. And she was going to have her show move from The Whitney to the Smithsonian, but the Smithsonian wanted to take out the one painting she had of a\u00a0trans person. It was called \u200b\u201c<\/span>Trans Forming Liberty,\u201d and it portrayed the Statue of Liberty as a\u00a0Black trans woman. And she just said, \u200b\u201c<\/span>No, absolutely not.\u201d Lonnie Bunch III, who is a\u00a0Black historian, was the secretary of the Smithsonian. They proposed to her, \u200b\u201c<\/span>Well, why don\u2019t we just have a\u00a0video of people discussing trans issues instead of the painting?\u201d And she said, \u200b\u201c<\/span>Absolutely not.\u201d She pulled the show. So a\u00a0Toni is me riffing on Toni Morrison when she said, \u200b\u201c<\/span>I tell my students, when you get these jobs that you have been so brilliantly trained for, just remember that your real job is that if you are free, you need to free somebody else. If you have some power, then your job is to empower somebody else. This is not just a\u00a0grab-bag candy\u00a0game.\u201d<\/p>\n

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